Thursday, November 09, 2006

LOOK AT ME

I am one of the females who got sexually harassed on downtown streets on the first day of the fucking feast, more specifically on Talaat Harb street starting from Metro Cinema until the beginning of Sabry Abu Alam street.

There were two other friends with me, a female and her male.

We felt like we were in a war--I had my self defense spray was emptied on the endless number of guys who surrounded us and yet still wasn't enough.

We, girls, had our butts, breasts, and every inch of our bodies grabbed. I end up slipping into a car that was parking on the road side when I tried to catch one of the mother fuckers who insisted and never gave up on grabbing my butt. So, I end up with a deep cut in my right hand palm and another one on my thumb of the same hand as I slipped into the car's headlight that broke and cut my hand. 6 stitches on my hand palm cut and 3 on my thumb--still my anger is pretty fresh in the deep inside of me that makes want me to put all Egyptian men on fire right now for what they have caused. What the fuck mother fuckers? Don't you have sisters who can also face the same thing as we did? How the fuck would you feel about this knowing your sister's butt and breasts got grabbed by the guys on the street?

I think you better act cold towards that since you might be one of the assholes who grab other girls asses. But let me tell you this: It's NOT and NEVER the girl to blame you sons of a bitches, it's NEVER the girl, NEVER! It's you to blame for doing such things to girls who you could consider them sisters and try to protect them not fucking grab them and show the world the worst picture of how Muslim men are who say and insist on how good people they are, but to tell you the truth, Muslim men are the worst human being on the entire planet and they just don't know it. Oh no, they don't even deserve to be called human beings, they are ANIMALS--FILTHY PIGS! Mother fuckers, You're putting Islam in the worst image ever in front of the world!! Think about it, assholes, think about it! YA WELAD EL KALB.

60 Comments:

Anonymous The Sandmonkey said...

Hey,

I am one of the organizer of the current campaign to make sure that this doesn't happen again. Can you contact me at all?

Friday, November 10, 2006 3:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello my deepest sympathy for you and your friends. I hope you are well. Don't change your way of life because of these perverts. Be Stronger than this bunch of sick people.

Olivier brussels

Friday, November 10, 2006 5:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Drima @ The Sudanese Thinker said...

Girl, I'm so sorry you had to go through that shitty nightmare...

One word though... RESPECT!!

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:26:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Thank you so much guys! My hand is healing, but I am still gonna fight!

Friday, November 10, 2006 7:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's always these bastard's fault..never was the girl's...

Friday, November 10, 2006 9:04:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

SM, please, I want more details about the November 14th demonstration. If anyone knows anything about that, please, post here.

Friday, November 10, 2006 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our sympathies go out to you, and the other women who were harrassed.

I'm curious to know if you think religion had any bearing on the incident, either directly or indirectly by allowing women to be treated secondary to men?

Friday, November 10, 2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

I believe that the culture is based on this religion is the major reason why this happen.

It's also their attitude and how they were raised and grew up in a strict society--everything is religion in Arab countries.

Friday, November 10, 2006 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did not mean to imply your religion directs these types of actions, but my impression is it ceratinly helps create an environment that condones them.

I honestly with you the best. The world is getting smaller and we could all do with a little more tolerance.

Friday, November 10, 2006 11:09:00 AM  
Blogger Carmen said...

I am very sorry you had to go through this shit...

Friday, November 10, 2006 3:43:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Thanks, Carmen!

Friday, November 10, 2006 3:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you honestly didn't have to slang muslims, this could happen to anybody anywhere. but i tell ya, i really and deeply feel for you, this's not going to go easily, i promise!

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:05:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

No, it couldn't happen anywhere--only in Muslim countries where the culture is based on this religion is the major reason why this happen.

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:31:00 PM  
Blogger Kay said...

I'm very sorry this happened to you. Be brave and tell the world your story. one question: have you gone to the police? filed a complaint?

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:38:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Thanks, Kay! Well, the police assholes were happily watching me and other poor girls getting sexually harassed. They just stood on the other side of the street watching without doing anything. Really, I was stunned by that! Didn't you watch the video I put in my blog? In the end you see a police car where a guy sticks his head out of the window then goes back into the car without doing anything. Losers!!!!

Friday, November 10, 2006 6:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm sorry for what happened to you, this incident really SHOCKED me.

But this is carzy, i mean blaming it on islam!!! what does islam has to do with this, I think rape incidents are the lowest in muslim countries. it happens everywhere.

this is so obvious, you just found a chance to pour your anger at islam, and u are exploiting it.
i'm sure thoese who defended u and took u home are true muslims, not who attacked u.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im really sadden about what happen to you my dear, but to blame Islam, and all arab countries is even sadder. If you ever check the police files of the bad street of compton, or st. louis, or detroit, then you would know this has nothing to do with Islam. When a mob are going into a frenzy like this, I dont think they are thinking about Islam, or representing Islam. they are only representing their animalistic instinct.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:02:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

REPEAT: I believe that the culture is based on this religion is the major reason why this happen.

It's also their attitude and how they were raised and grew up in a strict society--everything is religion in Arab countries.

I have NEVER EVER faced such a thing in my entire life or ever got my butt grabbed by anyone who's a non-Arab. Whenever it happened to be was mostly by an Egyptian or an Arab--animals. Even though I am sure that there are so many Muslims or Arabs who are nice and all, but WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY? Why on this planet is mostly full jerks? I don't get it, don't they have sisters or their own women to think of when they do things like that to poor women on the streets?

"You do something bad to someone, you should have it done to you!" Someday they will have the same done back to their women, so when they set in their chairs and think why came the day for something like that to happen to them and their women, they will definitely remember and think of the moment when they have done it to others in the past.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:28:00 AM  
Blogger Cairene said...

I'd like to make a couple of points:

First, i dont think the problem is Islam. Islam, the way it should be, is extremely respectful of women highly emphasizes preserving their sanctity. If these people were real Muslims they would never act so disgustingly.

So what is it then? Well there are many theories floating around. I would say it's probably a combination of many of them. But i'd judt like to address the issue of Islam. There is no doubt that recent years have seen a surge of conservatism in Egypt. In my opinion this is very scary. Not because of people becoming more religious but because this religiousity, in my opinion, is very focussed on the visible, outward, external aspects of religion and not so much the spiritual. It's focusses on wearing a veil, not on modesty. On growing a beard and zibeeba (that dark perma-bruise on forheads from all of prostating), not on actual piety. It's about fasting but not about patience.

This is coupled with another much-discussed issue, which is the place of women in society. In a nutshell, my view is that, like i said above: real Islam respects women and treats them as different equals. In the modern Arab world, we have forgotten about the equal part. We've reverted to barbarism. They are weaker, they are subordinate, they are little more than a container to hold men's honor in.

I think this is bullshit. And i really think they way Egyptian (and other arab) men act as if everything is the woman's fault is ridiculous. In fact, it's fucking retarded. In Islam we are told that if we're fasting and we see/smell food or someone eats in front of us, we gain more reward because it was harder. I think people should think about the way women dress similarly.

Personally, i dont think that women nead to wear a veil. I respect modesty, but i dont judge on clothes. But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that women MUST be veiled.

In Islam, men are supposed to be modest too. One of the things that was often said about the companion Omar was that he was modest (7ayaa2) because he would look at the ground when he saw a woman pass by.

Now, wouldnt the reward be better, if you say a woman's hair and looked down? or saw her arm and looked away? or saw her calf and looked away? or saw her waist or her cleavage and LOOKED AWAY?!?!

What i do not understand and cannot accept is how it seems to be widely accepted that men are exempt from this very very very easy action. LOOK AWAY! Get the Reward!

And i especially hate how they use stupid-ass excuses like hormones. How men HAVE to get excited. As if it was perfectly expected (which it is) and therefore acceptable (which it is) reaction that exempts them from blame (which it sure as fucking hell, does not) No you dont have to get horny every time. I'm male. I dont get excited every time i see a girl in a bikini. It's not that hard to look away when you see some hair.

God gave you greed and told you not to steal.
He gave you laziness and told you to work hard.
He gave you anger and hate, and told you not to kill.
He gave you lust and told you to fucking control it.

Finally, since i've gone on forever.. i think there are also a whole bunch of other social, economic and political factors that have made this kind of behavior much more likely.

And that's it i guess. Power to the women of this (and any other) country.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:34:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Well, if Islam respects women, how could it allow men to beat their wives in order to make them obedient? Where's the respect for a woman here? And most men would usually follow the Islam in that part. "Oh, I am beating her up because Islam (Quran) said so". How ridicolous!

Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Denning said...

This is how I see the link to religion:
Islam tells women how to dress and behave. If you dont behave like this, muslims think its ok to harrasse you. And it works! In fear of being harrassed in different ways like being called a whore, grabbed in the street, raped and so on, women starts wearing hijab and acting just like the muslim male mob wants the women to behave. A

You see imams support this facist control of the muslim women by saying that if you dont veil you are self to blame if you are being raped. In other words: Women are to be treated with respect as long as they behave exactly the way the muslim men tell them to.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find this absoutely incredible that these kind of attacks happen on a continual basis.

I'd like someone to show me where this continues to happen in any other country in the world. I realize that every country in the world has its own problems, but this is huge problem that is left unchcecked in Egypt. Maybe most of the Islamic countries?

Yes report the problem to the police. You mean the same police that stood around and didnt help. Or the Government for saying this never happened in the first place? How do you fix a problem that the government/police refuse to do anything about. And No this isnt affecting the ones that do not wear the veil. There were reports that veiled women had their clothes torn off of them. So show me where these animals respect that?

Yes the United States has its fair share of problems. Every country has its share of murders, assaults, rapes, you name it. It happens in every country. The United States alone has 300 Million people. Yes crime happens here, but compare the population differences. There's also one major difference. The reporting of crimes, how often do you see reports of rape in mostly Muslim countries? Why are crimes like these not reported?

I'm sorry that you had to endure this and I wish you a speedy recovery. I am glad that you are spreading the word of what happened while the rest of the country/world just stands around and watches without acting.

- J

Saturday, November 11, 2006 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bastards, sick bastards.

Stay strong.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Apollo said...

hi girl4cairo,

i'am really sorry that this happened to you.I wish u a speedy recovery.

It is hard to believe that this happened in Egypt one of the oldest civilisations on Earth.Seeing a bunch of bloody scum behaving like crazed cavemen was disgusting to say the least.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 2:57:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Yep!!!

Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just found your blog from sandmonkey. I know what it's like to be grabbed and violaged in such a disgusting manner. My heart goes out to you - be strong babe!

Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:14:00 PM  
Anonymous To Egypt, With Love said...

Sorry you had to go through that terrible experience, but I wanted to thank you for having the courage to tell your story. Your honesty is remarkable and the more this story gets told maybe these beasts that call themselves "men" will realize they will soon be outnumbered by strong women who are fed up and not going to take it anymore.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:23:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Thank you, Annonymous! Thank you, to Egypt with love...!! I hope no one ever goes through such a thing like I have gone through... peace!

Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Smita said...

Hi, I just want to say that I was shocked to see the extent to which harassment occurs in Egypt. It must have been a very traumatic event for you and that it's OK to feel all this anger in you. I think you are very courageous to share your story by blogging. I am from Canada and I'm sure that people from all over the world will come across your blog. I hope you are in a safe place now and I wish you a great recovery both physically and emotionally... Although I'm sure the latter will be very hard. Good luck and stay strong.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:30:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Thank you very much, Smita!

Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry this happened to you, but it has nothing to do with Islam. The culture is NOT based on Islam, it is based on sick people with very low morals.

1. Islam does NOT allow men to beat their women -- it is strictly FORBIDDEN, no question about it. When people use the Quran to justify doing that, they are being ignorant and twisting the words of the Quran to suit their benefit.

2. The hijab, a sign of modesty, protects the woman. It has nothing to do with men wanting women to look that way or them forcing them to do it. It's just a protective factor for women because our religion respects us and gives us the option of the hijab.

3. This same thing happens everywhere else in the world, REGARDLESS. There are great Arab Muslim guys everywhere and I know them. I know a million and one guys who wouldn't let something like that ever happen to me.

4. In every single city in the world, there is potential of danger and sexual harrasment. HOWEVER, it is limited to certain places and times. The same way you wouldn't wander a forest @ 3 in the morning, don't go to the places that you know this stuff happens in @ certain times. Avoid it! I go to Egypt all the time and nothing like that has EVER happened to me!

I advise you not to blame the wrong cause for something bad that happens to you; that's not the way the world works. (And especially not Islam, a religion of peace and utmost respect for women.)

Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:13:00 AM  
Blogger M & K said...

I am so sorry that happened to you! I know how you feel, it happened to me for 9 straight months. I finally fought back and broke a guys nose in the middle of the midan of Gam3at aldewal wa shari3a shihab. Mukhabarat came and there was huge deal, and it was terrible. But that is because I am 3agnibiya. When they thought I was masriya because i speak arabic, they refused to help me. I had to show my passport to get respect.

I really hope that you can seperate Islam from what has happened to you. I know that it is soooo hard, wallah, but you have to look at it from this perspective- have you ever been grabbed by a sheikh looking guy with a long beard, prayer mark and short galabiya? I never ever was. They never even looked at me. I feel like the scariest men were those who actually were rejecting islam all together, and wanted to be more western.

I dont blame you for the way you feel! I hope you can feel empowered in the street, it took me a long time to feel so in cairo...

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:40:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

What the fuck? They refused to help you thinking you're an Egyptian until you had to show your passport? That's really fucked up!! Well, I have been in similar situations when the police would come running to help when they only see foreigners with me. Sick people, sick country! What else can I say?

Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger M & K said...

Well... The police said "When you see 2eshta you have to try and take a piece."

I know it is terrible they will only help 3aganib, and I still dont think it is really because they feel it shouldnt happen, but that they want to "do enough" so that it will look like they tried.

Monday, November 13, 2006 8:17:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Not surprised still. I know the Egyptians would do anything in order to take the foreigners attention for a pound or to abuse them!

Monday, November 13, 2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger Liza said...

It takes a lot of courage to share your story like this. You must be a very strong person. I also think you're right when you talk about the role that Islam played in what happened.

I'm amazed by the number of people here who are negating your belief that Islam played no role. Whenever a culture is based on religion, it makes it extremely difficult to separate the two. I'm sure that in its purest form, Islam is a beautiful religion. I'm sure the same can be said for many of the world's religions.

The problems start when people take these religions and twist meanings to suit their own purposes, which is what has happened with regard to the status of women in Islam. One only needs to look at what happened to women under the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to understand that.

Violence committed in the name of religion is also a bastardization of religion. What kind of god would condone violence in his name? Certainly not one I'd want to be associated with, that's for sure.

I think for people who refuse to accept the Islam (in whatever warped, defective way that the religion was understood by the perpetrators) played a role here shows a refusal to see things as they really are. Until people can accept that followers of a religion (any religion, for that matter) may not be perfect and can, in these modern times, perpetrate such vicious acts in the name of that religion, the problems won't go away. People will be mad for a while and demand change, but chances are, nothing will be done, and the issues will simply be swept under the rug until the next time.

Sorry for rambling. I swear I didn't mean to write so much!

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:31:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

Liza, I have happily read your comment appreciating that there are people like you who would understand my point of view. That's what I have been trying to bring out to people, but I just didn't know how. Thank you very much for writing. And please feel free to write as much as you feel/want. Thanks again!

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ive heard about the situation in egypt. Can someone plz tell me why this has heppend out of the blue all of a sudden?

Also has anyone seen this:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23336_Video-_Frenzy_in_Downtown_Cairo#comments

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is it going to take for you ppl to leave islam? there may well be good aspects of it but clearly it is ruining your lives.

Only islam advocates rape of non-muslum women, stealing, incest, torture

http://www.pointofinquiry.org/?p=80

my i recommend 'why iam not a muslim' by Ibn Warraq

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Artica said...

My support to you, dear "WFFC." Be strong. This, too, shall pass.

Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hi, sis
i feel very strong about this so much so i feel like taking the sword to their necks!! i really do think thats the only solution for these sick dogs. i make dua 4u and all those other muslimah who have been fallen victims to these animals.

Sunday, December 10, 2006 7:38:00 AM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

I wish I had the sword you're talking about...

Monday, December 11, 2006 4:46:00 PM  
Blogger UK_Doctor said...

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:32:00 AM  
Blogger UK_Doctor said...

Can somebody just give me a break.... How can u attribute all what has happened to islam when all of those youth are not attributed to islam in the first place.??? Those are attaining western values... they wanna immitate them... wanna look like them... and even if ur gonna ask anyone of them he will tell u i dont care about islam.. i just wanna live the american way and i just wanna be american.!! These Guys are a product of american civilization and the product of american movies and Satelites.. Secondly, Egypt's regime is secular and does not endorse religion by any means and we are called by america as one of its Allies in the region or as they call it "one of the moderate countries"... So please give me a break this is not the product of islam but these values are imported on us by the west. these are imported values.. they are not home made. We are the ones who are chasing them and trying to immitate them. I am sick and tired of people who talk abstract, please be objective and talk in the language of numbers and figures. The whole world now is talking scientific. Now i am a doctor and we now live in the era of EBM (evidence based medicine)... which is based on statistics. if u wanna judge something unbiasedly so refer to statistics. So how much is the crime rate there and how much is it in muslim countries? there is just no comparison. Dont judge islam by a bunch of fools who just happen to be muslims but they never claimed that they are following islam... i mean just look at them ... they are in a cinema que.. Is it islam which invented cinema? I mean how can you blame islam for something it has never preached. If you want to blame islam just blame it for something it has produced... These guys are the product of our Media.. our secular Media that wants them to be that way.. of Adel imam films who makes fun of islam and encourages youth to be ashamed of it and negate it claiming that it is a sign of retardation and falling behind... Okay so are we any better now?.. now that we are secular and pro-western? the contrary is true.. we are still a 3rd world country with huge unemployment and retardation in all fields.. We just immitated their lifestyle and jeans and junk food and cocacola and then think that we have become civilized this way. Please get islam out of this issue and speak objectively. if you just wanna attack something and just have something to blame for all our defects just look for another scape-goat to blame for all our short-comings and under-achievements. Please just look for another scape-goat to hang upon it all our mistakes

Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:37:00 AM  
Blogger UK_Doctor said...

1427 years ago Arabs where a bunch of tribes-men living in the desert fighting and killing each other for a camel, until came islam to give them nobleness honour and great civilization... they ruled the world for decades while the west lived in the forrest like apes.. they lived in the darkness for ages. Islam then produced Algebra, Astronomy, Medicine, Poetry, literature... everything. Not until the last decade when we decided to throw islam out of the window that we were divided into many small nations again and went back to what we originally were before islam, a bunch of barbaric Arab tribesmen fighting in between us for anything. So now... girl4cairo... listen to this : if our culture nowadays is really based on islam truly as u claim then we would have produced sciences we would have launched rockets and reached the moon.. we would have developed nuclear energy like great nations. We would have excellenced all fields like we previously did. But our culture nowadays is based on ignorance, based on anything BUT islam. We have tried communism one day then we went capitalism and so on.. (you name it).

Friday, January 19, 2007 6:39:00 AM  
Blogger UK_Doctor said...

You also have another thread called "Another butt grab". I just wonder why is everybody trying to grab your butt?!!!

Friday, January 26, 2007 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is for the "UK Doctor"

How can u attribute all what has happened to islam when all of those youth are not attributed to islam in the first place.??? Those are attaining western values... they wanna immitate them... wanna look like them... and even if ur gonna ask anyone of them he will tell u i dont care about islam.. i just wanna live the american way and i just wanna be american.!! These Guys are a product of american civilization and the product of american movies and Satelites..

Too bad you're ignoring the STATISTICS... statistically, about 91% of those youngsters must have been Muslims (that's the percentage of Muslim Egyptians).

Secondly, Egypt's regime is secular and does not endorse religion by any means

You are so off reality, I feel bad for you.

According to the Egyptian State Information Service the first part (Art. 1-6) of the Egyptian Constitution (titled "The State") says These articles state that the Egyptian people are part of the Arab Nation and Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic is its official language. They also pronounce that Islamic Law (Sharia'h) is the principal source of legislation [...]

we are called by america as one of its Allies in the region or as they call it "one of the moderate countries"

Well, it's easy to be considered a moderate when you're compared to countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran, don't you think?

So please give me a break this is not the product of islam but these values are imported on us by the west. these are imported values.. they are not home made.

Really? Please give me ONE example of such mass harrassment in ANY non-Muslim / Western country. LOL! Will you ever grow up and accept the truth, even when the truth is hurting you? That's what being an adult is...

hese are imported values.. they are not home made. We are the ones who are chasing them and trying to immitate them.

Funny thing to say these words and sign... UK Doctor...

Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is also for the "UK Doctor".

they (Arabs) ruled the world for decades

Arabs never ruled the world. Their biggest geographical spread was from southern Spain to Iran. Compare this with the Romans, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, the Spanish Empire, the British Empire...

while the west lived in the forrest like apes

Please go read some history books. The West was busy building large cities, starting universities, expanding commerce, inventing the mobile typography, in a word: DEVELOPING.

Those Western apes were so weak, they were able to attack the Arabs on Arab land (the crusades), kick the Arabs out of Southern Spain (Reconquista) and discover new continents.

Islam then produced Algebra, Astronomy, Medicine, Poetry, literature... everything.

There is a wonderful website called 1001 Inventions and it lists no less than 1,001 inventions credited to Muslims. I agree the world owes a lot to inventors who were Muslims. At the same time let's look where the list of inventions end: around year 1300. That's seven hundred years ago!

Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:12:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

How funny when you claim or trying to say that our culture is not based on Islam. If the Middle East and the Muslim culture weren't based on Islam, why would someone be put in jail for four year being accused of insulting Islam? Why are they so considered about it unless that both whole country and our culture are based on Islam. I see people walking and crossing in the streets reading the Quran instead of watching out for their lives. Is The Quran gonna safe them from a fast car comes and hit them? No. Unfortunately, some Muslims become fanatic and racist and enemy towards those who are not Muslims. It's just crazy.

I don't remember being harassed by a Christian or a non-Arab. I don't know what's so special about those with their terroristic looking with a long beard everywhere I go I am mostly surrounded by those scary creatures. You see them holding the Quran and banging their heads to the walls to have their foredeads marked, so they prove they pray five times a day. They walk out of the mosques and their eyes aren't taken off of any female would pass by. They are like dogs everywhere sniffing the air as they would run towards where a female smell may fly from. I also remember this one time I had to beat the shit out of someone for grabbing/touching me in a public transporation and one of those who interfered to seperate us was an old man in a "white galabeya and holding the seb7a" who was like "ta3allee hena yabenty, allah yesam7o (come here daughter, may god punish him)" and the old fart was just pulling me away and at the same time his hand was running to my hips. Because almost everyone is a Muslim, these fanatics are hard to identify at first sight. It's just so easy to hide between all the regular Muslims who mind their own business and live a normal life.

Now, I will give you a break.

Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:18:00 PM  
Blogger Girl4cairo said...

UK_Doctor said...

You also have another thread called "Another butt grab". I just wonder why is everybody trying to grab your butt?!!!


- No, it's not just my butt. They also try to grab my breasts and legs. Whatever they can reach first.

Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UK_Doctor:

In your response to how the middle east is adopting a Western Influence. You all might hate us over on the other side of the world, getting involved with things that you feel we shouldnt. But I can gurantee that you all love our money, technology, freedoms.

I myself have been to Egypt, in fact I've been to quite a few places in the middle east and the world. You know what I've been able to see from my time in the middle east. Yes once upon a time the Egyptians ruled the world, had huge advances in technology and culture. What I see now is a people that are repressed. You hate me because I'm not religious, you hate me because I dont believe in a higher power. You would kill me because of this if you knew, all of course in the name of Islam. You believe in revenge killings because its Islam. You believe in arresting individuals and having them tried or killed because they talk about Islam. How do you call these advances? How do you call these civilized? I live in a country where due process is part of the law. Yes our laws have many flaws. Do criminals go unpunished and where we punish the wrong people from time to time? Yes. We're not perfect. But we dont claim that we are perfect anyway.

So tell me this UK_Doctor, name the modern advances of the Arabs? Some of the brightest philosophers were Arabic, but you know what. They were all killed because they believed in something different. So now all I see is a religion that believes its the one true religion and kill everyone else because they dont believe in this 'perfect' religion of yours.

I see where Islam completely believes that women are an object to be bought traded and sold. Where women do not have the same rights and freedoms. Where its legal to stone and kill women in public. Where your 'honor' might be at stake.

You know the states have 300 million people. Thats a whole lot of people and yes potentially a whole lot of crime. But you know women are treated more fairly here than almost every other place in the world. Some of the smartest and most respected people I know are women. Yes I'm sure you might say something like oh you're just bowing down to them or they should be below me or something. You know you can say what you want but your words dont faze me in the slighest.

If you're Islamic, and you're in the UK as a Doctor, where are you originally from? Why choose this country over any other to practice in? We are all entitled to our own opinions so Girl from Cairo, stay strong there are people in this world that care.

UK_Doctor I'd like to see you as a female in a 3rd world country where you're treated like an object and its allowable for men to disrespect women. Its considered an offense if a woman reports that she was harassed. Seems like a backwards ass country to me.

Tell me when an Arab sent man to the moon, or created technology so advanced they are seeing other places in this solar system and beyond.

- An American

Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:22:00 PM  
Anonymous UK_Doctor said...

Girl4cairo, I am not trying to offend you by any means nor am i trying to underestimate or undermine the ordeal that u have been through. I believe u went through a terrible experience and i recognise that very well. All i wanted to say was just look at our tendency to generalize things. Look at the incident that happened compared to what the discussion took us to a conflict between civilizations and Alexander the great and so on. Now an incident happened to you and then comments go on to generalize things that all youth of Egypt are this way!!! Are all youth of Egypt this way?? I know wonderful Egyptian examples that i am so proud of. Why do we generalize things? Then the discusiion grew to suggest that All Muslims are that way!!! Then it grew from there to suggest that it is the islamic teachings that must have ordered those youth to go on and grab girls and harass them. Yes i do agree that this incident is serious and signals severe deterioration in the behaviour of certain youth... but all i am against is the way we tend to generalize things in our discussion of this matter... the way we jump to conclusions when we have no evidence in our hands. I cant see how any Religion can have anything to do with what happened!! All Religions came with lovely teachings. If a christian guy hit me i would just say that this guy is a bad guy. I would certainly not go on to say that christianity is a bad religion because i know deep inside that Christianity is a wonderful religion that came with all virtues and wonderfull teachings and peace, and that it is certainly not christianity that ordered him to hit me. All i would say is that this guy only is bad, i would not generalize, because i know other christians who are so good and kind. Only this guy who hit me is bad. And this bad guy just happened to be a christian. It would be a great mistake to blame christianity or to go on to say that all christians are that way and that its in their teachings of christianity to behave in that way. This is just inappropriate. I hoped we had tackled this incident that happened to u Girl4cairo in a more productive way so as to reach health conclusions and solve problems in our society. Anyway Girl4cairo i am really so sorry for this very traumatic event that u went through. You are our Egyptian sister that no Egyptian with blood would accept that this would happen to our Egyptian sister. In fact any Egyptian would rather die but not have his sister harmed or even touched. I swear any real Egyptian if sees a stranger try to harm his sister... i swear he would literally eat him up alive or he would have to pass over his dead body. This is the definition of Egyptian in the dictionary "shahama wi merewa" a chivalrous man or at least this is the definition of manhood or at least i am afraid to say this WAS the classic definition of manhood once upon a time.

Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to express my sympathy to you, as I too have been the victim of sexual harassment and aggression. And although I have never been to Cairo, I can attest that this type of perversion is prevalent in many other cities of the world - including some within the U.S.

Sexual harassment may be more cleverly disguised and stigmatized in Western society, but is an intolerable reality in many women's daily lives.

So it is not an East or West thing ... or a Christian or Muslim thing. It is a disgusting MALE THING ... that crosses all geographic, cultural and religious lines.

And unfortunately, I can not offer you a remedy or suggest a way in which you might mitigate some of its damaging effects. But I can offer you the assurance that the women of Cairo are not alone in their quest. There are many other women fighting with you - demanding that principles of gender equality are sufficiently maintained and standards of human decency are adequately met.

Also - I would like to call into question the credentials of the so-called "UK Doctor" - who spends much of his time diverting discussion from the real issue - in a frivolous attempt to appropriate blame. His arguments are not only logically flawed but also make no sense.

In addition, phrases like "u wanna" accompanied an abundance of dangling clauses and misplaced modifiers, exemplify an acute ignorance of English grammar that could not have possibly been obtained through advanced study or work in the UK ...

Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would also like to suggest that the so-called "UK Doctor" enroll in a world history class - specifically one dealing with ancient civilizations - so that he might be able to distinguish his own fallacies from actual facts.

Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:41:00 PM  
Anonymous UK_Doctor said...

Well i guess some people in that forum are just not ready to listen they are just programmed to attack.
It's also funny that they are using a very clever strategy. that strategy says that whenever u lose an argument start attacking the person himself.

Tuesday, April 24, 2007 4:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

girl4Cairo,

you are pathetic. To compare Egyptians males to all Muslim males is extremely ignorant. I am an African-American male and I treat women w/ respect and lower my gaze. I know of many others like that. Your world view is screwed up and your language is horrible, there is not reason to talk like that.

Friday, October 12, 2007 2:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry you had to go through such an event. I would like to say that your ignorance is called bigatry. I am a woman in America. This happens all the time in America. I have visited Arab countries and never had it happen.It is not a result of religion or culture or whatever, its a result of the dichotomy of men being sabatoged by popular culture and corporate media images for the purpose of increasing sales. sex sells, and most of the time selling sex in ads etc, means debasing women to sexual objects within the context of media. unforutnately raising a generation with these images affects their psyche and hence their actions. If you would like to educate yourself on islam I suggest reading the quran. just as the sexist media has degraded women through mass media, it has also in many ways slanted the view of islam. I'm not sure if you're aware but even the united states congress declared islam as a peaceful religion. it is not the religion but people that make things ugly. for example the kkk calls themselves christians. religion is simply the easiest way to get a group of people to do as you wish....and many people will ill intentions use religion for that goal.
educate yourself before you place a prejudice on others, or degrade others the way you yourself have been degraded and prejudged by those men.

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